196 The Genius Wheel: Why Your Life Shifts Every 7 Years with Lulu Minns

Are You Living on Autopilot or Riding the Genius Wheel?

What if your life wasn’t random chaos… but a seven-year cycle that secretly shapes your growth, transitions, and genius?

In this conversation, Sally sits down with Lulu Minns, author, coach, and creator of The Genius Wheel, to smash the myth that “genius” is reserved for Einstein-types. Instead, Lulu unveils a radically different framework that reclaims intuition, feminine power, and the cycles we’ve been taught to ignore.

We dive into:

• Why midlife isn’t a crisis, it’s a pivot point into a new genius phase.
• The three kinds of genius (and why you’ve probably dismissed your own).
• How to spot when you’re in your personal winter phase, and why it’s not failure, but power.
• The invisible skills patriarchy ignores: intuition, charisma, deep listening, and how they’re actually genius at work.
• Lulu’s journey from burned-out criminal lawyer to cycle-led coach and author.

Forget “hustle harder.” Forget “stay in your lane.”

This episode invites you to trust your body, follow your cycles, and redefine genius on your own terms.

🎧 Press play and discover how to finally ride your Genius Wheel instead of fighting against it.

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Transcript

Info@sallygarozzo.com (00:03.203)
All right, so my guest today is Lulu Minz. Lulu is the author and creator of The Genius Wheel, a groundbreaking new book and concept based on harnessing the power of our seven-year personal growth cycles. After coaching women leaders for over a decade and hosting the She Rebel Radio podcast, The Genius Wheel is a new way we can lead our lives in a more aligned and intuitive way.

allowing our true feminine power to rise up. So Lulu, welcome to the pod. How are you?

Lulu Minns (00:39.922)
I'm good, thank you. And thank you for such a clear and concise introduction. It sounded good. I'm happy to be here.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (00:47.397)
it's so lovely to have you on the pod. know this is third time lucky. So we are here. We are doing it. It's eclipse season. And I do feel that perhaps this is probably the right time to be talking about it. I actually read your book or some of your book on the plane on the way over to Tarifa, which is where I am now. And I was like, my God, yeah, this is really landing for me. So I am so excited to chat to you today because

The midlife transition is a great state of flux for so many people. And I think your model and the information in your book really has the potential to help so many people navigate this transition with a much higher level of understanding around what they are going through. So I'm sure we'll get into all that, but I'd love to start at the beginning. What is the genius wheel? What does genius mean to you?

And why should we be reading it during this midlife transition?

Lulu Minns (01:49.358)
Thank you, thank you. And I love to hear so many people have been going, or women have been going on holiday with the Genius Will. So it's had a little tour of its own, so that's really exciting to hear. And the Genius Will, harnessing the power of your seven-year personal growth cycle, it's a dual-layered framework where I combine the seasonal cycle with our seven-year personal growth cycle. And I also, just for good measure, add in the micro cycle, which is the moon cycle and the menstrual cycle, which are one of the same thing anyway.

And the genius will is a name that just came to me. It's funny, I create in that way. I get a name of something and I don't always know what it is. And then it kind of, you know, it unfolds around that. But I talk about the genius in two ways in the book. One is in its basic sense, in its more linear sense that we can identify with because we live in a world that values the linear over the cyclical.

And the second part of that is considering it in its more ancient sense. And I love both of them. And I think with that combination of both, we can get a much deeper sense of what genius is and outside of a patriarchal model, which is what we're kind of used to.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (03:05.073)
Yes, okay. So what struck me when I read the first chapter of your book is this idea of genius. So I've read The Big Leap by Gay Hendrix, which is all about being in your zone of genius. And some of the books you referenced, I'm like, yeah, read that, read that, read that. It was so cool. It was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're singing from the same song sheet. And, but with that book, I was always confused.

Lulu Minns (03:23.662)
It's good to know.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (03:33.689)
actually about what genius meant for me. Because when you think about genius, you think Albert Einstein, don't you? Like, I know Albert Einstein. I can't do maths. Yeah, I don't really. It's hard for me to even talk about politics because I don't, I'm just not in that world particularly. But when you...

Lulu Minns (03:45.71)
Mm-hmm.

Lulu Minns (03:53.026)
Yeah, which is kind of disempowering from the start, isn't it? It's like we don't identify with it. just go, no, that's not for me.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (03:59.313)
Yes, yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's like, yeah, I'm not a, I'm not a Sheldon Cooper. I'm not a genius. I'm like, no, I back away from that. But when you said genius comes in three ways, we've got the sort of mathematical genius, the creative genius and the natural ability. I was like, oh, okay, I get that now. So can you flesh out a little bit for us?

what the difference is between those things and what natural ability actually is.

Lulu Minns (04:31.758)
Yeah, absolutely. And I'd love to know from you which one kind of resonated because I've had some of women who've read the book or clients going, oh my God, I thought I was Virginia Woolf, but I'm actually Oprah Winfrey. So, know, Virginia Woolf might be that creativity, you know, in terms of writing, creating, you know, bringing something from your imagination into being outside of, you know, the more intellectual, mathematical, scientific geniuses we all identify with. And I use

Info@sallygarozzo.com (04:44.271)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (05:01.57)
female role models so we can identify with them more as women because we've had so many of the male models, know, Shakespeare being one, and Virginia Woolf talks about what if Shakespeare had a sister, you know, would we have been inspired by her if she'd been given the same education to read and write as men were at that time. And then we have the natural ability and I think lots of women really resonate with that. use Oprah Winfrey in the book, you know, she has a real natural ability to lead and create a conversation.

where people want to follow her in some way. And that's a much less tangible thing. It's not working out a mathematical equation, but it's really creating a change in the difference where people are able to follow and you're able to inspire. Some politicians have that, not any at the moment, I might add, but it's crossover and it's a really interesting way to root ourselves in what genius means to us.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (05:58.897)
Yeah, it's made me think of Marianne Williamson. Do you know her? Yeah, she's a spiritual teacher slash politician. And I feel that she has this natural ability, very similar to Oprah Winfrey. But obviously, think as well, you have a blend, don't you, of different levels of this genius that forms you in a way.

Lulu Minns (06:02.348)
Mm-hmm. Yes, I do, yes.

Lulu Minns (06:26.53)
Yeah, and I think both of them, Marianne Williamson and Oprah Winfrey have an ability to, and I hope I do a form of this in the book, to take something very complex, know, because Marianne Williamson is very spiritual and Oprah Winfrey is, and communicate it in a way that the masses can understand. So to take something from the abstract and make it into something more tangible, which, you know,

Info@sallygarozzo.com (06:48.794)
Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (06:54.267)
Yeah, I feel that natural ability lends itself to or the skill set that we're talking about in natural ability are these more like ephemeral qualities that perhaps aren't recognized by the patriarchy. So understanding, listening, communicating, mirroring back, charisma, all of those sorts of like things you can't quite pin down, but

go to make up the energy of a person, which I think is what women are really good at.

Lulu Minns (07:28.326)
Yeah. Yeah. Energy in essence and, you know, that intuitive nature. did, I don't know if you know the charity, the Girls Network, that pair professional women with girls from, tends to be from lower socioeconomic backgrounds or families where women have not worked. And I did a career networking event for them for a number of years ago. And you know, very interested in my background as criminal lawyer, which lots of people are. They're oh, you know what a fascinating, you know, job. They don't get the drudgery that also went with it, but.

I said, you know, what one thing with that and coaching is that active listening, but also that intuitiveness. I was massively intuitive as a criminal defence lawyer. I was as a child, I am in coaching, but it wasn't anything I was told at school I was good at, you know, it just wasn't recognised. So I didn't recognise it within myself, even when I was in criminal practise, you know, I could pick up on a situation far quicker than many of my colleagues.

But I didn't give myself credit for that because I didn't understand it was something that I was doing that other people weren't able to do at the level I could do it.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (08:32.913)
Do you know, that makes so much sense actually, because I recently watched, a couple of nights ago, watched, it's called Unknown Number, it's on Netflix, and it was about this catfishing scandal. I won't give too much away actually, just in case anyone watches it. But the person that was doing this, she was, giving it away, well, whatever, she was a stalker, right? Okay. And the person who was the stalker,

Lulu Minns (08:45.068)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (08:57.55)
Yes.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (09:03.481)
is one of the people being interviewed on the documentary, right? And you think it's not going to be that person, but as soon as this person came on the screen, I just had this feeling, this something came over me that was like, there's something strange about her. I don't know what it is, but I'm sensing, and it turned out that she was the stalker. And yeah, I knew, and I thought,

Lulu Minns (09:27.372)
Yeah, you knew.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (09:31.435)
I need to trust that. I need to trust that intuition. you, because I suppose when you're a criminal defense lawyer, you're having to any lawyer, I suppose you're having to really tune into your spidey sense, aren't you? And even if you don't know you're doing it, you actually are doing it.

Lulu Minns (09:45.23)
Yeah, yeah. I think, and I think particularly when you're in criminal defence, you know, you're very much on your feet, as it were, you know, giving police station advice, you don't have time to go and check the facts. You've really got to, you know, take a spidey sense, you know, intuitive nudge of what your client's telling you, what the police are telling you and give advice then and there. So, you know, and from a safety perspective, you know, I was dealing with people that...

Info@sallygarozzo.com (09:59.035)
Okay.

Lulu Minns (10:12.654)
create unsafe situations in society, usually because they haven't ever felt safe themselves. I understand why that happens, but it is funny how, yeah, were only once or twice did I feel those spidey senses where I'm actually at risk from somebody. And I didn't know anything, and they weren't from clients actually, but I didn't know anything about their background. But when I found out what offences they were in for, it made total sense that every alarm bell in my body was going, get out of.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (10:19.195)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (10:42.146)
you know, that person's viewpoint, even though, you know, I was safe, were police around, there's court staff around security, et cetera, which, you know, doesn't mean you're always safe in that sense, but certainly with police around in a police station environment. But, and after data clients and women, we've got to start off when we need to rebuild trust with our intuition, because it's there, but we, society removes us from trust, trusting it. So trusting it over really small.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (10:56.048)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (11:10.274)
Day-to-day decisions is a really good place to start.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (11:12.689)
I'd love to talk a little bit more about that. Before we do, what was the transition for you going from criminal law into coaching? How did that, like when did you decide, I don't want to do criminal law anymore, I want to be a coach?

Lulu Minns (11:22.178)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (11:28.846)
Yeah, I mean, I didn't really, I burnt out in criminal law. It was extremely difficult, you know, for so many reasons. And I probably wanted to leave for about a period of two years. I didn't. then partnership came up. I ended up leaving in the end of 2014 and I didn't find coaching until, was it March 2016? So I kind of mucked around, you know, trying different business ideas and...

Thought I would freelance as a lawyer alongside that, but I was so burnt out and exhausted. Again, you know, our body being more intelligent, I would, you know, get unwell every time I thought about maybe going back to give police station advice and things like that. So it was kind of a path that I allowed to unfold in front of me. And I didn't pick coaching women either. I've always said women picked me and then it's become, you know, an expertise and a niche.

from there and doing retreats on, I forget doing my first retreat in Morocco was amazing. So yeah, I didn't really plan it and I still try and run my business in that way, which sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it freaks me out, but then amazing things happen. didn't expect to write this book and I think that we have to have trust and in a world that's getting more and more uncertain.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (12:43.761)
Yeah, I love that. So you're really following your own medicine, actually, listening to your own body, taking the space, taking the time to just tune into what your body actually wants and then allowing that pathway to unfold one step at a time and sort of just taking the gentle nudges from the universe. And did that way of doing things lead you to, did it?

Lulu Minns (13:05.73)
Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (13:12.155)
kind of culminate in this apex point of the information that you received for the Genius Wheel.

Lulu Minns (13:21.1)
Yeah, I think in a way it definitely did, you know, because sometimes people are like, how long did it take to write it? It's only three months. It wasn't long at all, but there was a buildup, you know, to that over a period of time. And, you know, I would say part of my genius is asking questions and that's whether I'm asking other people as a lawyer, as a coach, as a broadcaster, or with myself, you know, those bigger questions and I sit with them. And then, you know, I'm even doing at the moment, there's something I'm creating at the moment, which is probably another book.

But everything I'm listening to or reading, I'm like, that's really relevant to just what, you know, I'll put it down and then I'll it back up again. And I've listed something in between, but it's all connected. But it's not, you know, kind of conscious or logical or linear. It's just trusting, you know, how, how I, what I'm genuinely interested in. But then I fight it, my ego fights it and goes, you know, you should do something constructive today. This is not income producing activity.

listening to a podcast about X all day long or something. But then it leads to another thought process, which does, and that's how the genius will, I've got a copy here. Did, yeah, of create, yes. And my sister did the beautiful artwork. She spent such a long time. That's her genius, 100%. Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (14:30.673)
Yeah, me too. Love it.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (14:44.283)
So are they seven different flowers? Wait, one, two.

Lulu Minns (14:47.298)
Yes, I would know there's the same flower in a growth cycle.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (14:50.961)
Oh, I see. That makes sense. What flower is it?

Lulu Minns (14:52.598)
Yeah, so I think it's, God, she'll tell me off. This is the colour on the back. It's a style of lotus. I know, because the winter ones are up here, see, where, and I think they can create quite a lot of fear in people, this particular flower, but I think it's a lotus style. Yeah. I mean, it's funny, even when I bought my first house, my sister said to me, and that's when I was in legal practice, she said, you've got

Info@sallygarozzo.com (15:12.441)
It looks like lotus flower, yeah.

Lulu Minns (15:22.222)
And Agapanthus outside and I was like, what's that? Because she's so into her plants and nature and drawing them. She always has been and that's been more of a process for me. So yeah, but that was a nice process going through that with her as well.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (15:38.267)
Yeah, I bet that was really lovely actually. So what personal growth cycle are you in right now?

Lulu Minns (15:46.708)
Yeah, I am in my seventh personal growth cycle and I'm in the summer phase of that personal growth cycle. So what's really great about that and when women have, you know, going through this as clients or now with the book is, you know, it can act as a map and a pinpoint to orientate ourselves in the here and now where we're at and understand that and also plan for the future and make sense of the past.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (15:52.144)
Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (15:56.709)
Okay.

Lulu Minns (16:15.754)
So, and yeah, you go.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (16:17.893)
Yeah, know. Okay, so I was wondering how it all fitted in together. So you've got these seven year long personal growth cycles. And then within that, you've got the seasons. So you've got your seven years up top like an umbrella. And then within that, you've got the seasons, but you've also got the in between seasons as well, haven't you the pagan seasons. And then in those, what have you got moon?

Lulu Minns (16:26.348)
Yes.

Lulu Minns (16:31.298)
Yes.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (16:45.977)
moon cycles as well, yeah?

Lulu Minns (16:48.406)
Yeah, I've got the moon cycle as well. And there's a number of different diagrams in the book in that sense, which does take what, you know, it's a big, big concept and it's about kind of layering it and seeing each seven years is like a chapter of your life. And that's a great, you know, self-reflections tool by itself. And then,

putting the seasons, the four main seasons and four crossover seasons in that, you can identify at really basic level, whether you're in winter, spring, summer or autumn, and then we've got the crossovers you can add in there too. But then the micro cycle is the moon cycle or our menstrual cycle if we're still having that. And the way that works, once you can fit it all together, which is why I do two day retreats and workshops on this stuff, and I've got masterclass series as well.

is that you can find alignment points as well. So if the seasonal, so I've, you we've just come out of summer, but we were in the season of summer. I was in my summer in my personal growth cycle and then a full moon also identifies summer as well. So that's like a triple whammy. And it's about how you can leverage the energy of that. And, you know, it's been really relevant to me that I've been out talking about the book.

That's a very summer, it's very outward focused activity, you know, being a podcast. So it an event last night, you know, and all of those events are coming up again. So yeah, as opposed to our winter would be a lot of the opposite, the self reflection, you know, all that kind of stuff.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (18:08.44)
yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (18:17.585)
Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (18:23.633)
So that makes sense, doesn't it? Because if you're thinking, I should be doing this, I should be getting out there, but there's something within you that doesn't feel like you really want to, it might be because of something in your personal growth cycle that if you knew about, would make you feel actually a lot better about not wanting to push into visibility, for example.

Lulu Minns (18:48.258)
Yeah, that, and it's so, think, you I don't know about you working with women, you know, one of the biggest blocks has been trusting ourselves and giving ourselves permission. So the, know, and I often say that the cycle and the cyclical can hold us in a far more complex way than the linear line can. And that means that we can really use it as a tool to give ourselves permission.

And a lot of women have said to me though, what if I don't want to know when I'm in the winter phase of my personal growth cycle? And I totally get that. But I was in mine in 2014 when I left legal practice, I wish I'd known. And also 2021, we were in lockdown for half the year, I was down in Cornwall and I just had this like sink down. Which is why I started thinking this seven year cycle is a thing. That's where it all, but again, I wish I'd known it on the level that I know it now.

in working with clients and writing the book. And I'm already planning for it almost 2028. I'm like, right, okay. I'm slightly anxious about it, but I'm kind of like, okay. But it also, and I saw a client last night and she's in her summer and she said, I'm making the most of it because I'm in the vibe. So I'm leveraging that energy. So it really is powerful.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (20:05.689)
Gosh, hugely powerful. Yeah, it really is. And I do understand that feeling of not wanting to know. But actually, think with all of the graphs and stuff in the book, it's like, I can absolutely see how it'd be a really helpful tool for projection and planning. I'm kind of at a stage in my life now, actually. So when I, it's so funny because.

you when you're like, oh, this is the right time for me to read this book, because I'm going into, well, I went into my eighth cycle on my birthday last year, so I'm 49. And it's like, oh, OK. I knew there were some shifts happening, but I haven't really found a model that's detailed enough or that I resonate with enough to help me really understand how to kind of craft my future or how to sort of really lean into what

Lulu Minns (20:34.979)
Yes.

Lulu Minns (20:40.515)
Mm-hmm.

Lulu Minns (20:49.678)
Mm-hmm.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (21:01.325)
my future is calling of me. And I've been flip-flopping around, I think, for a bit. I absolutely love what I do. And then this is part of me that really wants to call me into my genius. And then this other totally rebellious part that just wants to go, yeah, fuck all of that. I just want to be able to do whatever I want to do when I want to do it. Yeah. Thank you.

Lulu Minns (21:03.95)
Mm.

Lulu Minns (21:22.862)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, 49 is really, literally 49 is the age when women hear about this book, you and I've had lots of women who are 28 that's resonated with it and you know, women in their 10th personal growth cycle that have said, my God, I wish I'd read this years ago, you know, it's useful now, but it makes so much sense. 49 is like a, you know, kind of because...

genius legacy, all of that's getting more and more urgent. And in terms of our life cycles, it's comparable to, cause I talk about the bigger cycles as well without confusing people. It's, you know, and I've said to clients, it's my biggest age demographic for clients is you're in autumn, which is transitional, the same as spring, but you are more responsible and you have more genius than your earlier maiden years of your life, right? Because it's like our genius phase.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (22:04.123)
Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (22:11.247)
Yes.

Lulu Minns (22:13.774)
But there's the compulsions of that younger version of you are there. But I just want to do what I want, you know, because we were all like that when we were 20, right? But it's like, how do we do it with responsibility and consciously and create legacy and, you know, all of that? It's a really interesting time and, know, where we're really less likely to give a shit about what people think. Like Pamela Anderson, I've written her personal growth cycle. She is rocking it right now. You she's saying it like it is.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (22:21.797)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (22:43.374)
She's in her truth, she's in her authenticity. She had a lot of misogyny holding her back in the middle, which I think lots of us women experience in all sorts of ways, shapes and forms. And it's really coming back into our power, which is really exciting.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (22:56.645)
Her reinvention is stunning, isn't it? I loved her when she was in, God, what's it called? Baywatch. And I loved her when she did that barbed wire film. I just wanted to be Pamela Anderson. I just thought she was so beautiful, but also really demure as well. I just had this like...

Lulu Minns (23:06.316)
Hey watch, yep.

Lulu Minns (23:10.958)
Mm-hmm.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (23:20.431)
just real innocent about her, even though she was like so buxom and yeah, delicious in every way. And now I'm just like, my God, you are, yeah, I just think she's so authentic and she says it as it is, know, when she talks, has this stream of consciousness, which I love about her. I love the way she presents herself now, no makeup, no filler or anything.

Lulu Minns (23:39.65)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (23:44.558)
Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (23:48.838)
at all. She's like the complete opposite of how she was back then. Mind you, I don't know if they...

Lulu Minns (23:53.166)
Yeah, and she's brought up a few beautiful boys who have really involved in, I only found out yesterday actually that her son produced the documentary that came out on Netflix. So he's so committed to her bringing back her image in terms of more authentic to her because previously men have controlled her career. The sex tape, we all remember that.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (24:16.099)
I say, yeah.

Lulu Minns (24:18.35)
And she, total misogyny from the male lawyers. I come from that world. I see it. I know it. You know, that she didn't have the right to privacy with her sex life, apparently, because she was a playboy, you know, a model and it's just, and then jealous boyfriends, husbands, violence, you know, all of that stuff. She hasn't really been able to really step into her own until now. And that's really inspiring.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (24:34.403)
Ahem.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (24:40.185)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, wow, I didn't know that. That's yeah, it's really powerful. Yeah, you talk about Jennifer Aniston as well, don't you? You're fascinated with her.

Lulu Minns (24:52.374)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought she was a really good, was, because I'm writing monthly case studies at the moment over in my sub stack, which are going down really well, you know, because we can really start to see our own seven year timeline in that because as I've said, was reading the book and then learning this stuff layer on layer and getting a depth and intimacy with it. But Jennifer Aniston, I thought, you know, she's the girl next door. She's someone we can all relate to, particularly in a certain age demographic. know, we, most of us used to love friends.

And she was in a clear stroke, end of one cycle, winter, in bulk is the first stage of spring. When she left Friends, Anne Brad Pitt went off with Angelina Jolie. Like her life changed beyond recognition. know, one was choice. She was the Friends star who wanted to leave Friends. She's the one that imploded it, because she wanted this movie career. And then, you know, six months later or whatever it was, it was certainly within 12 months, you know, her husband had left her for somebody else.

Suddenly at 35, which is a crossover, she found herself having to reinvent her career and her relationships. And it took her a little bit of time because she was the rom-com queen. And then around 42, genius phase, she starts producing and doing stuff that's more critically acclaimed. And stepping up, we have to take risks to step into our genius phase. it can sound amazing, but it's quite, it's scary and it's challenging and...

Info@sallygarozzo.com (26:08.785)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (26:19.18)
all of that stuff as well.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (26:20.881)
Yeah. So what do you say to people when they are struggling with taking the risk or the fears getting the better of them? What, what kind of, cause I'm sure you come across that a lot as a coach, you know, people saying, Oh, I really want to do this, but, um, yeah, how do you, how do you get them to stretch their comfort zone to step into their genius so that that genius gets to be realized?

Lulu Minns (26:29.656)
Mm.

Lulu Minns (26:36.332)
Yes, yes.

Lulu Minns (26:45.762)
Yeah, I think, you know, the seven year timeline is something that's really useful because it identifies where, you know, cause I talk about, opens up your challenges and your opportunities, but you can see how the challenges, you know, they say for new levels come new devils, but they're old devils just a different layer and you're like, damn it, you know, I thought it was this again. So it's about pulling it out, whatever that is, deeper, a deeper rooted layer, which is what I do with one-to-one coaching.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (27:05.585)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (27:14.83)
Sometimes it can go back to childhood stuff. I know you talk about the trauma that comes up through menopause and all of that stuff that we've not dealt with. It's absolutely a thing. So it's getting the support and being bold enough to do that. I think the older we get, the more uncomfortable it gets for us not to do that work. what I was going to say was, I say to clients, I said to a new client,

Info@sallygarozzo.com (27:21.508)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (27:42.922)
this week, know, whatever we are wanting to change or going through as women, it's personal and we work on it personally, but it's also systemic usually, you know, and we can take on and it's collective, you know, whether that could be some women, it's, you know, body image or confidence or, you know, self belief, but the way that we've been conditioned as women, healing it personally, yes, but recognising it's collective and it's not, it's not just our

Info@sallygarozzo.com (27:50.8)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (28:10.83)
you know, using our voice, being visible, all of those things, which I do touch upon in the book as to why that is.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (28:11.025)
Mmm.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (28:17.445)
Yeah, you do actually. It's really good that I was getting all fired up on the plane. Woohoo! Let's break free from the patriarchy. These rules don't, you know, it's all, it's all manmade. It's all bullshit. Like, don't wear makeup if you don't want to. Don't do your hair if you don't want to. Like, wear what you want to wear. Be who you want to be. Say what you want to say. And you're right. You're absolutely right. A lot of it, a lot of it is childhood, but then...

Lulu Minns (28:22.542)
Like.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (28:43.857)
A lot of it is systemic, but also in our childhood, you see, if we're raised by parents who are also in the system, we're going to be infiltrated by those limitations that they've had to endure themselves. So we're kind of breaking the cycle. So many more people now are rising up to become the cycle breaker for their families.

Lulu Minns (28:50.903)
Mm-hmm.

Lulu Minns (28:59.032)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Lulu Minns (29:08.204)
Yeah. And I think it's really important. Yeah. And recognising that, you know, parents only know what they know, you know, they were only carrying through any cycle that they experienced because I think, you know, I think it's great to work on the stuff. I think sometimes it can go down a road where, you know, people want to change parents or, you know,

Info@sallygarozzo.com (29:16.943)
Mm-hmm.

Lulu Minns (29:30.894)
And you just can't do that. You've just got to change your view of it. And then also, you know, I grew up with a mother who's quite defiant, actually, and I praise her for that. And she's made me quite defiant. I don't follow the rules. I I haven't cared whether people like me. You're not very liked in a criminal as a criminal defense lawyer anyway. So, you know, I grew up with lot of positives in that sense. At the same time, systemically, I was still held back. The legal system, you know, I was seen as aggressive.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (29:34.629)
Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (29:57.704)
yeah, okay.

Lulu Minns (30:00.686)
not as, what's the word, assertive. And the older I got, was 32 or 33 when I left, but the more assertive I was, ensuring myself, the more uncomfortable that made the men that I worked with. I didn't fit into their model. I didn't marry when I was 28 and have children. That wasn't really on my radar. It still isn't. It's just, know.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (30:04.453)
assertive, yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (30:17.307)
Yeah, okay.

Lulu Minns (30:27.726)
So they were kind of like, we don't really know where you fit. And that made them uncomfortable. And that was interesting because I was quite naive to it because of the environment I grew up in.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (30:31.353)
Yeah. Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (30:39.141)
Yeah, me too, actually. I've always been rebellious or, you know, done what I wanted to do, thought the way I wanted to think. And I've always been self-employed. well, did one, two years, two years, three years self-employed actually. So yeah, one year in a car firm and then two years in a vocal school. And that's...

Lulu Minns (31:03.054)
you

Info@sallygarozzo.com (31:03.895)
all the employed work I've ever done. And so I've always kind of just gone off my own back. So I think in a way I've been blinded to what really goes on. And I just sort of assume wrongly that everyone has these choices, these freedoms that they don't always have. So it's really good for me to sort of sit with other people and actually listen to the misogyny and stuff that does exist.

Lulu Minns (31:15.715)
Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (31:32.091)
So how now, now you're not in that world, how do you, I mean, in terms of like stretching your comfort zone, does it feel, how different is it now? Like what are the challenges that you're experiencing now as opposed to back then?

Lulu Minns (31:42.339)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (31:51.692)
Yeah, it's difficult. mean, I think it is, know, funnily enough, my parents were always self-employed, think, you know, because they're both quite defiant, you know, and I think we don't always choose to be self-employed. I think sometimes we have to be because we're not prepared to fit the mould that exists. And that can be difficult, you know. I know when I... Pardon? Yeah, no, it is, it is. And I think sometimes, you know, I've always asked the question sometimes, I'm like, why can't I just be a bit more normal and...

Info@sallygarozzo.com (32:03.824)
Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (32:10.223)
It's lonely. It's lonely.

Lulu Minns (32:21.102)
and not just fit in and do things because it's easier. And I know with the coach of mine years ago, I think I'd already called the podcast She Rebel Radio and I trademarked it, but we were doing like archetypes and mine was the rebel. But with that came emotion, because I've been rejected for that for the years, you know, and I am a challenger by nature. I just cannot help it. I will call it out, you know, when I see it.

And it just comes out and that, yeah, that can be difficult. I think, you know, one of my biggest challenges I've found in the business and funny enough, I said to my parents, because, you know, they used to run an independent record shop. I'm always interested in things before they're popular. So, you know, I'm talking about X before everyone's talking about X and by the time everyone's talking about X, I'm talking about something else. So it's like, you know, being ahead of the zeitgeist usually, you know, which is a skill.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (33:01.487)
Okay.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (33:13.297)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (33:15.182)
100 % but I'm kind of yeah, or if everyone else is doing it, don't want to do it anymore. Because I've, you know, we were like that in the shop, you know, we'd sell Amy Winehouse and then when she was in the mainstream, we stopped selling Amy Winehouse. Yeah, I was like, how do you make any major money out of that? And my dad found it hilarious. He was like, we were still working that out, darling. You know, they did all right. They did all right. But it's, yeah, it's frustrating when those, you know,

Info@sallygarozzo.com (33:27.885)
love it, that's what I do.

Lulu Minns (33:42.094)
But as Dolly Parton says, and I've got that in the book of like, find out who you are and do it on purpose. So I've been a bit more of like, oh, you know, how can I do more of that then if that's what I do, then how can I do it more and not less?

Info@sallygarozzo.com (33:57.596)
Yeah, that's it really lean into that more of who you are. That thing that people really like about you as well, know, that spiciness, that you go left when everyone's going right. I love that they stopped selling Amy Winehouse when she became popular.

Lulu Minns (34:13.998)
Well, we would, know, we had that, I don't know if you remember that, you know, Saturday morning TV used to be massive, didn't it? When we were kids, there was someone and Simon and they'd run, they ran a laundrette and they'd come in and the customers would ask if they do duvets and they'd have this like, we don't do duvets. And it was kind of a joke. And we were a bit like that, you know, so if you asked them, if someone came in and asked for the mainstream, we'd be like, what? Go to one of the mainstream shops. You know, people came in because they wanted to.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (34:21.019)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (34:43.052)
know what's cool and what's new and all of that stuff. And then all the old stuff, know, that, you know, I've always joked my daddy doesn't like anything after 1969. I mean, he says that's not true, but, you know, his music knowledge is second to none. yeah, like if someone likes something, he'd go, we should listen to this because that came before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like that when I research stuff, you know, it came across in the book.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (34:57.329)
Mmm.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (35:03.045)
Yeah, well that's good to know the pathway and the lineage.

and over linear gym.

Lulu Minns (35:12.034)
something else I'm researching more, know, and I touch upon spirituality and religion is more at the moment of where, you know, for example, Mary Magdalene is missing from the Bible and the gospels and that impacts us as women every single day.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (35:30.703)
Yeah, that's huge actually. Yeah, I just have a question that's not related to Mary Magdalene. I'd love to explore that a bit. Do you think that being a bit subversive as we are is a prerequisite for genius?

Lulu Minns (35:50.806)
Yeah, prerequisite for genius.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (35:54.482)
So if somebody's listening to this podcast and they go, and I'd like to step into my genius, but I'm not really rebellious. I'm not really subversive. Can they still do that? And when they do find their genius, is it like, actually, yeah, that is a bit rebellious. Do you normally find when your clients do find their genius, there's something within them that actually is a bit counterculture.

Lulu Minns (36:17.614)
Yeah, I think it's true. But then I don't know if that could be confirmation bias, that they're attracted to me because I'm like that. But I love the quote, well behaved women never made history. So I think there's definitely something in that. But then I think you can have...

Info@sallygarozzo.com (36:26.673)
Wow.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (36:36.325)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (36:42.894)
And it's only like 20 % of the population can actually cope being self-employed, for example, and you can have people in their genus within organizations, know, they're actually very good at, you know, and a client of mine who was in corporate for years, you know, she broke out and she definitely needs to break out, she's doing amazingly well now. But then she needed all of that corporate language, you know, that I don't have, and things to create change for them internally.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (36:50.449)
Gotcha.

Lulu Minns (37:10.486)
and that's really interesting. it's trusting, like, I call it a meeting point of all those little threads of things start to knit together in some way, shape, form. But yeah, I do think there comes a point you have to break out of the status quo a little bit because otherwise.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (37:28.879)
Yeah, to get any kind of change you do, don't you? mean, that is because that's what change is. That's what, know, when something needs changing, it's because it's become stale, stagnant part of the status quo. So if we're talking about change, which menopause is a huge change, then you're talking about that there has to be some kind of breaking away of the norm, you know, into the unfamiliar.

Lulu Minns (37:40.654)
Mm.

Lulu Minns (37:46.241)
Yes.

Lulu Minns (37:53.518)
Yeah. Yeah. But it may be, you know, I wrote, my editor actually asked me, Mary Lobo asked me to write Lisa Bonet's seven year personal growth cycle as a case study. And I do take requests by the way. So if anyone's got a request, let me know. And I may say yes, or I may say no. But Lisa Bonet, you know, she was in the Cosby show, mother of Zoe Kravitz, who's massive. She said, you've got to look at her because, you know, she was married to Lenny Kravitz when he was unknown.

and also Jason Moma, also unknown actor. She's got a massively famous daughter and two massively famous husbands. She's kind of like a fame nurturer, right? She sees something in someone or helps them see something in themselves that's their truth and their authenticity and their fame like skyrockets from her. She was famous originally, but you know, those three people that are very close to her.

have massive fame. She's very spiritual. She's very private. She will not follow the status quo. But I think that's really interesting in that your genius doesn't need to be loud or how many followers that you have or, you know, all of that. Because I think there's pressure now because of social media. It may be that you're putting other people in the forefront and the limelight.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (38:58.161)
Yeah, yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (39:10.203)
really like that. I really like that. And actually that in and of itself nowadays with social media is like the most rebellious thing to do, isn't it? To not be on social media and to just like, you know, perhaps be a platform or like a safe space for everyone else to nurture their talent. So yeah, I think it comes back to each person's genius is completely unique and it will look

Lulu Minns (39:12.056)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (39:22.102)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (39:38.245)
completely different to the person standing next to you. And it can be as it is. You don't have to suddenly turn into something that you don't want to be in order to find your genius. Quite the contrary.

Lulu Minns (39:50.19)
No.

Lulu Minns (39:53.87)
No, and yeah, and again, I think I mentioned this in the book in terms of roomies. I don't remember if I put that quote in or took it out actually. You know, it's like the diamond necklace that you're looking, going from room to room and looking for, and it's around your own neck. know, genius, it comes, goes, but within those genius phases, 42, 49, and 56, or seventh, eighth, and ninth personal growth cycle, the further away we get from it, the more uncomfortable we are.

It's like you've forgotten to do something that day. I'm finding that because I'm trying to write something else at the moment and I keep on, as I said, focusing on, you and I'm loving talking about the book and getting out, but then, you know, doing other income-producing activities sometimes that I don't want to do. And if I'm not writing, I get to the end of the day and I feel dissatisfied, unfulfilled. Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (40:44.837)
Yeah, I feel a bit like that sometimes as well. Yeah, I can relate.

Lulu Minns (40:48.494)
Yeah, and you're like, Oh, wasn't I supposed to be doing something and I can't remember what it is. And I've distracted myself from all this busy work. And, and that's not by the way, because I think I'm the best writer in the world. I'm quite dyslexic, actually, which my head said you definitely are. I thought I was. But it's because I've got something to say that I need to, I need to, I need to put it together and it needs to come out.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (41:09.701)
Yeah, yeah, have something inside of you that really wants to be known. It wants to turn itself inside out and be known so you can see it visually. I really get that, actually. I feel like that when I don't write a social media post, it's like an itch that I haven't scratched. So I love writing for social media. But sometimes if I don't do it for a long time, I'm something's got to get out.

Lulu Minns (41:27.576)
Lulu Minns (41:34.314)
Yeah, yeah. Although, know, and also sometimes when you feel forced to do it and then you write it, I've done that before and then put it out and I'm like, no, that doesn't feel, it feels like I'm doing it because I should be doing it rather than it's something I genuinely want to share. And yeah, that's really important. It's tuning in to ourselves at deeper level, isn't it? Rather than just the mind-based stuff.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (41:46.896)
Yes.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (41:55.142)
Yeah, and the posts that always get the most traction are the ones that I've just written from the heart rather than, I've got a churn out of social media posts today, what can I write about?

Lulu Minns (42:04.566)
Yeah, and I don't schedule anything, do you?

Info@sallygarozzo.com (42:06.961)
No. Maybe like, I'll put this post out tonight when I know other people will be on social media, but I don't do, no, I can't operate like that. Not at all. No.

Lulu Minns (42:13.379)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (42:17.068)
No, me neither. Again, sometimes it's my, wish I could, but actually I just, I can't do it.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (42:23.629)
No, not at all. I just want to ask you about why seven years? Why is it a seven year growth cycle?

Lulu Minns (42:29.602)
one.

It was something that I had vaguely heard about and lots of women in particular have heard it. And it generates interest and intrigue from the off. And as I said, when I noticed the 2014 to 2021, I was in my winter, winter of the soul, which I'd called my 2014 for a long time. And I started to think, oh, maybe spring, if we're in winter, then spring has to follow.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (42:36.795)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (42:58.136)
So when I started doing some research about it, and there's a male writer, Rudolf Steiner, who's written about seven year cycles and how they tie to the seven planets. I just deep dived on the research and the number seven has appeared in Chinese medicine, in religion, in nature, in the Celtic, pagan traditions, way before a lot of the wider religions.

and things like that, but and in lot of religion, know, seven days, we have seven days of the week and seven colours of the rainbow. And it's a real spiritual number of, you know, kind of the journey and self-knowledge. So, you know, and I've had some guys, for example, being, what's the science, you know, behind it. But when you talk about it from that level, we kind of know it, we kind of get it deep rooted way. The seven, you know, I'm not a numerology expert, but

you four in tarot and those kinds of things means stability because there's four legs, which makes sense. And we do live, even for your listeners who I'm not going to out there, at quantum level, we do live in a mathematical universe. That's a fact. We do. And again, it's like astrology, isn't it? The deeper you go with it, the more it actually makes sense and the less woo woo it is.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (44:09.979)
Yeah, we do, yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (44:19.439)
Yes, yeah, no, you're right. And I think the anecdotes speak for themselves. You they're patterns that you've seen, you've put this together. And, you know, I know something like this is, I know the rabbit holes that you go down to make things all kind of fit in the pieces of research and the reading and then mapping it over to what you're seeing as well in your client spaces and the case studies that you've done.

And it's your truth, it's come from you and some people will resonate with it and some people won't. And if they don't, that's fine. It's not for them. There'll be another model that's for them. But I do think that this is particularly pertinent for women going through the menopause midlife transition. Yeah, what do you see? Like, are most of your clients in that menopause transition, do you think?

Lulu Minns (44:57.315)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (45:05.336)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (45:15.47)
Yes, yeah, and they have been for quite some time, know, 45 through to 55 and above and sometimes younger, but that's my main demographic and it has been, you know, almost from the very beginning. And, you know, getting the feedback from the book, you know, as I said in an event last night, it's not anything we don't know. You know, this stuff kind of deep down intuitively for those of women that it resonates with.

And, I didn't get any bumps when I was putting it together. I was like, my God, my God, this makes so much sense. And someone sent me a message on LinkedIn. She's been reading the book over in New York and she was like, thanks for a teach, you know, everything you've taught me. And it's just someone who's not worked with me. She just read the book and watched the webinar, but she was like, and I feel so validated reading that book. And then I've had other people come back and buy it for other women they know in transition, whether that's menopause or.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (46:06.417)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (46:11.576)
career or business, or suffering burnout. There's lots of people suffering burnout, not understanding our energy patterns and particularly that's high in menopause, right? And yeah, yeah, it's massive, isn't it? And we can't function in the way that we were before. yeah, and really taking care of clients, they might come to me for business or sometimes it's relationship, whatever it is, but it's the menopause is running alongside that.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (46:20.485)
Yeah, it's huge actually.

Lulu Minns (46:40.622)
and needing to find new tools and the old way of what we were doing is no longer working. So yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (46:46.501)
Yeah, it's such a metamorphosis, isn't it, menopause? And having any kind of tool that can help us understand ourselves on a much deeper level is going to help that metamorphosis happen, I think, so that we can emerge like that butterfly.

Lulu Minns (47:01.006)
you

Yeah, yeah. And it's a bit of a paradox, I think, the genius wheel in terms of it's giving structure to what's unstructured because the feminine is not structured. you know, structures do make us feel safe. And I just love, you know, when I've said to clients, you know, for example, I'm in the summer phase of my macro cycle, my seven year personal growth cycle at the moment, you know, as women, we hold stuff for so many.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (47:19.099)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (47:29.174)
many other people that when we understand that one of the seasons is holding us and we can create an intimacy with that, you know, for a fixed period of time, it's nice to feel held, you know, in the complex way that we as women often require and, you know, society, others may find it difficult to deliver.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (47:50.01)
I love that. you're, by understanding your cycle, you're allowing nature to hold you a bit more. And understanding that nature is holding you allows you to surrender, let go, trust, get deeper with your intuition. And these are the tools that we need to be able to help us through this. I love what you said, giving structure to what is unstructured.

Lulu Minns (47:59.618)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (48:18.629)
That's just like, I'm literally writing that down everywhere. Giving structure to what is unstructured. Yeah, that's why we need these models. Because they are quite abstract. I mean, they're based on the seasons and the cycle of the planets and whatnot. But actually, they are quite abstract. They're not tangible.

Lulu Minns (48:18.722)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (48:24.173)
Ha

Lulu Minns (48:43.252)
Yeah, Yeah, yeah. think, you know, read off Steiner's model and I do touch upon that in the book, you know, but it's like, you know, I'm being guided by Saturn. Like what does that mean? You know, whereas the seasons we can, you know, identify with a much deeper layer. And if we track them over the 12 years, you know, the 12 year, the 12 month cycle, which I've been doing for a number of years and holding healing empowerment circles, we can.

understand them, you know, a deeper layer. But you know, I noticed when we were in the summer and I'm in my summer, I thought, my God, I just need to go see Yen yoga. It's all feeling a bit too much for me. Because I quite like the autumn and the drop in and I'm getting, you know, I wrote this book over the seasonal cycle of winter getting up at five in the morning, although I was in my spring phase. So I had that spring curiosity, but then that, you know, that that quietness stillness of winter. So when you're

Info@sallygarozzo.com (49:22.107)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (49:42.062)
doing projects or wanting to write a book or whatever it is, can actually, when you know where you are now, you can plot it out.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (49:49.457)
Yeah. And can you find out where you personally are in the book or do you have to work with you personally to understand where you are?

Lulu Minns (49:59.274)
Yeah, you can do it in the book. And I have some free resources over in my sub stack as well. There's a seven year calculator because otherwise there's lots of finger counting. Sometimes people want me to actually work it out for them, but you have to do it yourself, you know, but I can, I do have a one-to-one that clients can book and we go through the seven year timeline. went on speaking to people, I can usually tell what season they're in, you know, whether that's across over season or otherwise.

And, but you know, sometimes also I'm doing master classes, six master classes over the year. Quite often women want to do it as a group as well. So there's that option. And the biggest thing women are saying to me at the moment is I need to do my wheel. So they've read it, they need to, you know, and as we know, women having time and things like that. So, you know, there are options there. You can absolutely do it by yourself. It's about creating the time and space, which isn't always easy for women to do.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (50:54.513)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (50:54.926)
or there's an option to do it with me one-to-one or in a group online or a retreat, which I haven't got any booked in yet, but I'm waiting for a new venue that really inspires me.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (51:05.733)
Yeah, okay, so there's loads of different ways to work with you. I've seen these at hen parties, actually.

Lulu Minns (51:12.526)
Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, like the Tarot Lady. Yeah, it could be quite a good, yeah. And I'm really, as I said, things unfolding. It's like getting the book out there and then really trying to listen to what women want next, what feels a good way to do it. Definitely. But it's been amazing. I've spoken at some corporate events and that are women's...

Info@sallygarozzo.com (51:16.401)
Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (51:28.805)
Yeah, yeah.

Lulu Minns (51:41.268)
only event and women are literally like, want to give it to me now. Again, it's that because it's structured to the unstructured, as I said, it can give but it can give them something in a way that we can understand ourselves and feel more understood.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (51:47.441)
Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (51:54.47)
Yeah, we're not alone. We're not alone anymore. It's like suddenly there's this model that is representing what I'm feeling on the inside. So in that sense, your nervous system is being met. And when your nervous system feels like it's being met, we downgrade from that fight flight into that ventral vagal, that rest and digest. And from there, actually, our menopausal symptoms can start to...

Lulu Minns (52:09.292)
Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (52:22.491)
you know, balance out, we can start to sleep better. It's all in the being understood, really. And any tools, yeah, exactly, the safety, any tools that can help us understand ourselves better are going to help our menopause symptoms for sure, for sure, you know.

Lulu Minns (52:25.902)
you

Lulu Minns (52:29.91)
Yeah, and that creates safety.

Lulu Minns (52:38.552)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah. it's that, you know, as we talk about in the medical, you know, I had a, go into it, but you know, women's medical thing a couple of years ago, I felt quite gaslit. You know, I don't use that word very often, but you know, we're constantly removed from our experience as women. So it's no wonder that our trust of ourselves can be massively eradicated and then become chronic when we're in that menopausal phase, which is when we need to be in trust with ourselves. So.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (53:05.85)
Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (53:09.743)
Yeah.

Lulu Minns (53:10.988)
Yeah, I really hope this can support that structure, you know, with a structure to feel understood.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (53:14.79)
Yeah.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (53:18.575)
Yeah, definitely. So how can people buy the book? How can they get hold of you? Where are you most active on social media? Things like that.

Lulu Minns (53:25.464)
Thank you. So the book you can buy on the website, which is thegeniuswheel.com. I do have a code that I can give your listeners so they can get a discount on the book there. I also do sell it on Amazon. If you do order on the website, I will send a signed copy as well. If people want a signed copy, I like to have that personal touch. And on socials, I am on Instagram, LinkedIn.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (53:42.703)
lovely.

Lulu Minns (53:51.872)
Substack is where you can download some more extra case studies and things like that. And there's a paid option as well, where I do my empowerment circles and some more exclusive case studies, but there were definitely some free ones and some resources from the book on there as well. And I'm vaguely on TikTok and YouTube. I don't create exclusive content for it, but I share what I might have shared elsewhere.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (54:09.563)
vaguely.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (54:16.773)
Yeah. Yeah, lovely. Brilliant, Lulu. Thank you. I've got a much deeper understanding of the genius wheel now and I hope our listeners have too. And I really do hope they go and buy the book. It's definitely a fantastic book to have in your toolkit to understand yourself deeper and, you know, any help you can get is amazing. So thank you, Lulu. It's been a lovely conversation.

Lulu Minns (54:41.134)
Well, thank you so much for having me. Yeah, and I do hope the book's one that, you know, women want to go back to, you know, and return to pieces of it as well. So, yeah, it's been great. So thanks for having me, me very much.

Info@sallygarozzo.com (54:50.04)
Yeah.

You're very welcome, lovely.