192 Why You're Still Sick: The Missing Steps in Modern Healing with Christian Elliot

🔥 This episode will rattle your reality (in the best way).

Are you eating clean, doing "all the things," but still feel like crap?

Christian Elliot—health renegade and root-cause rebel—joins me to unravel why people don’t heal, even when they’re doing everything right.

🚫 Spoiler: it’s not about another supplement. It’s not about willpower. It’s about the glitches in your system—chemical, emotional, spiritual—and the myths we’ve bought into about healing.

We talk:

🌿 The three steps everyone skips (and why skipping them keeps you stuck)
🔥 Why your fancy biohacks might be a waste of money
🧠 The toxic power of unexamined thoughts and trauma loops
🧼 What “detox” actually means (and no, it’s not celery juice)
🛁 How sweating, pooping, crying, and setting boundaries are all forms of purification
🤯 The wild stories of frostbitten toes, uterine surgeries cancelled, and postmenopausal women healing decades of symptoms
👑 Why menopause isn’t a curse—it’s an opportunity to reclaim your power

This is a truth-telling, myth-busting, softly rebellious convo for the woman who is ready to stop playing small with her healing.

✨ If you’ve ever thought:

“Maybe this is just who I am now…”

Think again.

Because healing isn’t just possible—it’s inevitable when you stop silencing your body and start working with it.

🧭 Ready to find your next healing breakthrough?

🎧 Listen now and get curious.

📲 Connect with Christian:

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Transcript

Sally (00:00.856)
So my guest today is Christian Elliott. Christian and his team help people who feel completely wrung out by the medical and alternative world find answers and the practical path to healing that has eluded them for a long time. Christian has accrued about 20,000 hours of one-to-one coaching. He has sorted through all the shiny objects of wellness pop culture.

to find the elegantly simple modalities and habits that bring abundance and healing and lasting vitality to people. So Christian, welcome to the pod, how are you?

Christian Elliot (00:38.698)
Thank you for having me. I am Will. It's been a good, short day so far.

Sally (00:42.67)
Yeah, because you are over in Florida, so I'm very jealous. I love that neck of the woods. Anyway, the reason I wanted to get you on to the podcast today was because your work brings like a whole body, root cause, sovereignty based approach to healing, which beautifully aligns actually with my trauma informed approach, the integrative perspective that I have.

So I thought this could be a really interesting conversation for our listeners to gain some really wonderful insights. So the first question I'd like to go in with is that your work centers around often why people don't heal. And I'd love to know from you, what do you see as the number one overlooked reason why people stay in these chronic symptoms?

Christian Elliot (01:35.006)
guess if I were to summarize it in one point, would be we just lack awareness of what's actually making us sick. And so that can be more of a biology puzzle with microbes, with heavy metals, with the chemical toxins that we kind of all are inundated with and to a large extent cannot avoid. And another aspect of toxicity is really our thoughts or our mindsets or our past or the way we view ourselves. know, victimhood, self-pity,

unworthiness, inadequacy, loneliness. They can produce such corrosive emotions that that whittles away at our health and our biology and really the options we will consider because we have a warped view sometimes of who we are, what stories we're telling ourselves, and we tend to tell ourselves stories without actually evaluating the merits of the truth behind them and running to ground where does this philosophy or this set of

rules I have developed, where does it lead me? And if we don't understand where our thought life is nudging us, similar to where the chemical burden that we are accumulating is nudging us, we're not getting to what's really making us sick in the first place. And instead what we're doing is playing with all the downstream symptoms of that sickness, which is really where the medical world makes all its money. It's like, there's so many symptoms that come off of any number of toxins, microbes, or thoughts, and we can just.

Sally (02:51.15)
Mm.

Christian Elliot (03:00.084)
try to interrupt your physiology and make you feel something different than what you're currently feeling. And then we say success, we treated that. And I don't like that approach. I'd much rather go say, why are you sick in the first place? And there's a good list of contenders for why we're sick, but that's really the short version of how we approach that puzzle.

Sally (03:16.492)
Yeah, yeah, that really makes sense. And so it's really down to the paradigm that we exist in as to why we might not be healing. If we're existing in that typical medical model that is prevalent now in our world, we might not be seeing places where we can actually, or that we might not be bumping up against people and places that can actually help us. So what do you do in your work then to...

to try to shift people's mindsets and thoughts around their own personal power.

Christian Elliot (03:49.182)
Well, it's education. I like to say I'm not a healer. I'm just a teacher or I'm a coach. And so I, by nature, I am curious and inquisitive and you could call me a professional question asker. I've learned in all these hours of coaching, I've done and accrued that the way to help somebody find their answer is to ask them questions more often than not. They're going to have the answer become obvious with enough of the right questions that kind of box in, where is this coming from? And so when it comes to identifying.

where a person's sick, kind of, have three, really a three step process. We can add a fourth if somebody wants to go there, but more or less a three step process to help them heal. The first is we have to identify the source of body burden. We've whether it's emotional toxicity, whether it's chemical, whether it's through your air, food, water, there's a whole bunch of different, it could be in your mouth. If people don't look in their mouth with their dental health, that could be one of the biggest reasons they're not well. And if you don't know to look for the reasons why someone's sick, then you're not going to find.

path to healing. You're just going to find a path to treatment. So that first step is really to unburden the body from the things that are bogging it down. Whether that's microbes, chemicals, heavy metals, or thoughts, it's something in that realm that's doing it, then our stress and it's just better principles to live a better life and realize that there's no place from which life will not be hard if you just get better at handling hard. so after burden, after taking away the burden, then we say, okay, we have to then purify

the toxicity that is already in the body. And sometimes we have to cut off toxic relationships, toxic thinking. have to purify the body of parasites or mold or heavy metals or PFAS or any number of chemicals that are interrupting and disrupting our endocrine system, our digestion, et cetera. Often it's our food, air and water are the easiest places to start. Sometimes, like I said, it's the dental health. It's your mouth is literally an ongoing source of poison and we have to fix that. And after we've purified the body, then our next step is we have to nourish it. And so that.

there's, we expand our definition of nourishment beyond just food. It's food, it's water, it's sleep, it's movement, it's hope, it's nature, it's communion with God, it's fellowship, it's community. Those are deeply nourishing to the human body and the human soul. And so we just kind of have a framework of taking people through those three phases of clarifying where your burden is, purify what's already there and nourish your body back to health. And that last lane is what kind of requires discipline over time.

Christian Elliot (06:14.728)
Because it's not just, can, ate well for a week and why am I not healed? Like the body has its timeframes for healing and health is built by a collection of habits that create a synergistic tipping point where your health returns and it can actually return in a pretty dramatic, rapid fashion, for the fourth option or if people really want to go, there's optimizing, but so many people, they skip the unburdened and they skip the purification and they go straight to, I've got to change how I eat and I'm going to biohack. I'm going to optimize. I'm going to get some more.

I'm going reduce my blue light and I'm going to get a red light device and I'm to do the sauna and I'm going to take these different tinctures and I'm, I'm going to do this biohacking. Man, we haven't fixed the actual reason you're sick. haven't cut off the burden and we haven't cleaned out your body. can do all the supplements, biohacks and red light and counseling and medications and surgeries you want. If, but if you don't, if you skip the first two steps, you're not going to heal well, but if you've done them in order,

And then you shipped into optimizing. That's what musicians and athletes and performers have, you high powered executives. They want to optimize and be at their peak of performance. Then, the optimization can matter a lot. But if that's the strategy, we've missed the plot. And I can't tell you how many people I've interacted with that that framework is like the obvious. How did I not see that? Of course I've, I've tried all the diets. I've tried all the bi-hacks. Why didn't it work? Because you skipped the first two steps.

And so what we don't let people skip those two steps.

Sally (07:42.046)
Okay, remind me what those first two steps are again. Purification.

Christian Elliot (07:46.258)
It's unburdened is the first one. We've got to find and cut off the influx of the toxicity. sometimes that is the biggest education piece. Like just women and their cosmetics, the beauty routine, literally ingest or apply about five pounds of toxins every year to your body. If your purging systems are not efficient, that's going to accumulate. That's why we're so overweight. That gets stored in our fat cells, our connective tissue and our liver.

Sally (07:51.159)
Yeah. Yeah.

Sally (08:15.758)
Hmm.

Christian Elliot (08:15.814)
And so that's why we're so obese. There's nothing else that explains this gross obesity trend than the fact that we've poisoned ourselves for a few decades. And it's that, that body burden bucket is full and the exits aren't purging as well as they used to because the influx exceeds outflow. So we have to unburden people from the influx. We have to take away that. And then we get to purification. we're not, if we're just, it's hard to heal while you're still poisoning yourself. Another way to say it is you can't dry off while you're in the shower.

Sally (08:31.683)
Yeah.

Sally (08:44.653)
Ha ha ha!

Christian Elliot (08:46.002)
We can't get this body healed while you're still poisoning yourself. We've got to diminish that everywhere we can. Then the purification effort makes a lot more sense and starts to produce amazing results.

Sally (08:57.174)
Okay, so the unburdening part of the equation would be to stop using toxic chemicals on your skin, stop ingesting fake foods, foods made in a plant, processed foods, and start eating whole foods and things like that without too much focus on what you're doing, more of the elimination, is that right?

Christian Elliot (09:21.97)
There's elimination. There's sometimes just replacing. A of people don't know that they're lighting or their clothing or their household cleaners or their scented candles or any number of your beauty products that women often use. guys, once one of our clients put it well to sit, it's tough being a woman. And my wife looked at the list and she's like, it's toxic being a woman. There are so many things that we put in us. And so there's a learning curve to learn where it's coming from.

And let's not forget the relational emotional puzzle too. If you're surrounded by toxic people or toxic relationships, that is literally going to poison your biology because it'll make you anxious and on edge all the time. And it's really hard to heal when you're in those environments. So we scan that. We do a body burden audit, a habits audit, symptoms and health questionnaire. Where are the obvious places to reduce body burden? Some people think diet soda. No, that's worse for you than regular soda.

educate and cut off this, then with an eye for, how do I get rid of what's already in me? And most people, they're interested in weight loss. Well, what that means is we are interested in toxin loss. We have got to give the body the perspective that it's okay to let go of these things now. And once it starts to believe that the exits will stay open, it will offload and purge those things. And it's amazing how health returns when you went to the source of the problem, rather than trying to fix all the downstream symptoms of the problem.

Sally (10:48.098)
Yeah, that makes sense. So taking away first, do you meet any resistance in your clients when you're asking them to replace certain products or take away, eliminate? What kind of blocks and barriers do you tend to come up against?

Christian Elliot (11:03.7)
plenty. it's, it's this change process is not just a straight logistical, logical, scientific puzzle. It's also an emotional one. And factoring in that change means doesn't not just managing your dollars, not just managing your time, but it's managing your energy and your emotion. And what we appreciate in respect is that every person has a different level of capacity for change, or they have a different budget. They have a different health status. And what tips one person over the edge emotionally isn't necessarily the same as the next.

And so what we do is work to personalize this and say, of all the different places we could start, is there an obvious one and an obvious one you're willing to work on, have the means to work on? And we can chip away at this elephant over time, or we can go more aggressive depending on the person. But yeah, some of the blocks are just like, my gosh, another thing I didn't think of this one too. it's just, seriously, there's toxins over here and I got to change my clothing now. And it's talking them off the ledge. you're like, hang on, we don't need to change all this at once.

Let's start with maybe food, and water, the things that you can't live without. Can we optimize that? And can we take this list of things we could do and kind of rank stack it a little bit, prioritize which of these things can I get to and when? And if some of the more emotional ones are like breast implants or root canals or metal fillings, those are, they can come with disruption and sticker shock. It's how much to get my teeth fixed or.

Sally (12:09.293)
Yeah.

Christian Elliot (12:31.496)
I got to go through a surgery to get breast implants removed because they're poisoning me. At some point we want to address that. Does it mean we have to address that today? No, you don't need to wait to get healthy and continue to drain your life force until you can afford something. There's plenty of very inexpensive things you can do and it's giving them the perspective of where it's going. It's giving them the perspective that the body can change and hope is here and we are going to shepherd you through that. That becomes a

Okay. I can do that. Sometimes it's medications like you're on medications and your doctors scared you into not having them. And we just get to educate you. Here's what it's doing. There are paths, there are other options and it's your body is your choice, how you want to handle this. But we at least do the, what doctors should be doing and give informed consent of this is really what this intervention is like. Here are the side effects because it's thrown a monkey wrench into your physiology to get rid of one symptom. created a few more. Did they tell you that?

Usually they don't. So we just teach and help you find help people find this is what it would take for me to get well. And sometimes you can, we can get some of our results are dramatic. You know, lifetime of head to toe eczema and dramatic bleeding disorders gone in two or three months. And those are the fun stories and other people they're, so sensitive. It's a longer runway. It's three, six for, know, if you've got a lot of health debt, sometimes 12 months in order to heal. But

Sally (13:48.312)
Yeah.

Christian Elliot (14:00.412)
If you plan to be along or around longer than the next 6-12 months, then we have the time. We just need to use it wisely and believe that you're worth the effort. Ride the emotional roller coaster a little bit and keep you grounded through the process.

Sally (14:12.302)
Yeah.

Yeah, that's lovely. And you know, it's nice to have a team of people rooting for you when you're doing that. So I love that kind of got this thought that you're helping people to come out of the denial in a way, let's face it. Yeah, sometimes that is the way that we we live. ignorance is because we literally haven't come across that information and we don't know. But sometimes we do know we do know what's bad for us. What's not helping.

Christian Elliot (14:27.708)
Yeah, that's a good way to say it.

Sally (14:43.096)
but we just don't want to change. And I like that you really kind of show people what's potentially going on under the surface.

Christian Elliot (14:51.838)
Yeah. Well, part of what we, I guess are appreciated or affirmed for is that we make it non hysterical. We are not the sham. Wow. Infomercial. my gosh. I we don't use fear to teach. We just, we are level headed in this and we have to be sober minded. If we can't face that, we're certainly not going to fix it, but like you can't turn the aircraft carrier around and 20 seconds. It takes time to do things.

Sally (14:59.501)
Yeah.

Christian Elliot (15:19.05)
There there's, if there's momentum in a particular way and you want to change it, you just nudge it and you slowly get it to change. that feels more approachable to people. And when they're in that denial, no, it can't be my breast implants. can't be my teeth. can't be any of these like don't take away my favorite shampoo or whatever the thing is. Okay. I can't stand the thought that it possibly have a parasite. No, no, no, I won't look at a lot. did anything but that. Okay. Well, at some point.

Sally (15:23.939)
Yeah.

Christian Elliot (15:49.482)
Maybe we want to face that and what you find is you can survive it. Like you, you go through whatever the thing is and you actually get stronger. You get the confidence that comes back that, you know what? The Nile wasn't helping me. And now that I'm ready to look in the mirror, make some hard choices, make some changes. I'm actually sturdier. I, I now believe in myself a little bit more and we, what's fun about what we do is we have group of calls. So

People can, some people come, they don't have a question at all. They just want to sit and listen to other people tell their stories or find inspiration or ask a question they never thought of. And it's that reference group that makes you go, my gosh, I was telling myself the same thing. I thought I was the only one or that's really possible. I get, I'm surprised every other week on my, I lead a strategy call every two weeks and the number of things people come back and report. like somebody, the last call had.

frostbite on her big toe that would had been basically a dead toe for six years and we taught her about healing and detoxification her toe has feeling in it again like that wasn't on the brochure I didn't know it wasn't even a category in my mind that this would help heal long-standing she's in her 70s like long-standing frostbite yet the body's capable of that and I those people that were in the room that day got to hear that story and

Sally (17:00.151)
Wow.

Christian Elliot (17:07.794)
stop denying or making excuses for this thing I'm stuck with and it can't change. It's just a nudge to be like, dang, if she did that in her seventies, she got rid of varicose veins on her legs too. I wouldn't have guessed that either, but here it is. And the body's remarkable at healing when you get out of it. You just clear the path for healing and then get out of the way. Let it do its thing over time. And so some of beating denial is just giving people the opportunity to be in an environment where...

Sally (17:27.885)
Yeah.

Christian Elliot (17:35.208)
They realize denial is not helping me and there is hope here.

Sally (17:38.454)
Yes, yeah, love that. What are some of the, you mentioned the frostbitten toe, but what are some of the more common symptoms that people come to you with really? You know, they've lived with this rash, this skin condition, or as you've said, this like bleeding, excessive bleeding. What kind of things can you help people with?

Christian Elliot (18:00.01)
The fun answer to that is kind of anything, not because we are treating anything, but because we are, our confidence is in the body's ability to sort out how to heal. And so all we're doing is saying, how does the body function and how can we help it function better or what gets in the way of it functioning and can we remove that? So some of that, like my, another one I got, I could text a couple of days ago was from a guy in his sixties who had dramatic brain fog and such that he was not able to function very well in his company.

And we have put him through, he's only a few, he's halfway through his cleanse. He's down 29 pounds. He's excited to break the 30 pound mark because he hasn't been there in so long, but he's lost 29 pounds as of Tuesday. has had parasites come out of his body. He the text, he's like, I feel unstoppable today. My business has almost doubled this year. And I attribute, he wrote, thank you, thank you, thank you. Like we just.

gave his body a clean slate and we taught him how to eat differently. We're cleaning his body out and we're teaching him how to fast. Sometimes that's the short version of all we need to do. He hasn't even gotten to the fasting part yet. And so that simple formula can get rid of, help somebody with brain fog. We often have people come to us with digestive disorders or body wide pain. the fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue type of things, but it can be diabetes. It can be cancers. It can be heart disease. The body knows how to heal itself.

And we're not treating anything. The body's doing the work and we just get to step back and say, wow, that can give her different autoimmune conditions to watch them disappear. Weight loss is usually the side effect of this process. we've had people with dental problems, know, infections, longstanding sinus issues. you name it. It's somebody that hadn't felt cold on their feet because they were diabetic and had need to feeling in their feet. now like, now the floor is cold.

Who knew you didn't know because you couldn't have any feeling in your feet. People with eye problems that get better. So it's just, it's a long list and it's, continues to surprise me. Like the frostbite thing did last time. Um, yeah, the body can, can fix almost anything. If you pull enough levers and create enough synergy that knows what to do. So I wish I could tell it's, this is always works for this, but there's it, it surprises me every day. And that made two of the fun stories of late.

Sally (19:59.795)
Hahaha!

Sally (20:26.798)
you

Christian Elliot (20:27.998)
We've spared a few people having their gallbladders removed. We've spared a woman, a uterine mutilation surgery. She was going to have her uterus ablated, basically burned so it couldn't bleed anymore. And she canceled the surgery because she's not bleeding anymore. So,

Sally (20:31.346)
yeah, you don't want that.

Sally (20:43.33)
That is amazing. That is absolutely amazing. And presumably what you do is going to help people with some of their menopausal symptoms as well.

Christian Elliot (20:51.57)
Yes, right. so much, just recently republished an article about the shocking level of early menopause. It's hitting women in their 30s and 35. Now, like that age range, more than half of them are experiencing premenopausal symptoms. But they're symptoms, right? They're evidence that something in our biology has got a monkey wrench in it. It's gunked up that we shouldn't have these dramatic drops in problems with the female parts or the male parts that we are having our endocrine system.

has so many disruptions and it brings on symptoms of the disruptions. And we sometimes call those symptoms menopause, but it's the same root problem. And we haven't even spent much time in the nourish lane. You want to impact menopause. Let's get your, dietary house in order. Let's get your movement diet in order. Let's get you out in nature and lifting heavy things. You do that. And it's amazing how your hormones resensitize themselves. And some women can just sail through this.

natural end of their childbearing years and not really have much disruption. But I like the title of your podcast, the mindset, right? There's something about the way we are framing this experience. And if we expect it to be horrible, good chance you're going to create that scenario. If you have a different mindset going into it, I'm going to shepherd my body through a transition into a different stage of life. It's so much gentler. And you can have an eye for these four categories. Where's my body getting bogged down?

How can I keep it clean? How do I nourish it? And if you want to optimize it, go for it. But it's the same process in menopause or anything else.

Sally (22:23.725)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, definitely. I love that. I love exactly what you're saying. Yeah, and the mindset for me has been so pivotal just to be able to navigate these changes, the ups and downs, the kind of plot twists and to be a little bit more flexible in the way that I approach my health, my body, my relationships and all of that. Just to be able to maintain that mental flexibility has been.

absolutely amazing and also not to think beyond this is menopause like if I'm experiencing brain fog or if I'm experiencing a mood rather than just putting it down to menopause which so many people do and I get why because they're not feeling particularly empowered actually to go okay menopause aside what else is going on under the surface that might be contributing to this mood swing or lack of sleep or inability to switch off or

whatever it might be so always scratching the surface or you know digging below the surface and I love what you said about asking questions getting better at asking better questions it's so so so important for all of us why always asking why why why don't just settle for that's just the way that it is like that is I hate that answer so much

Christian Elliot (23:45.702)
Yeah, well, there's that, guess, what, what my, in my words, there's a fatalism to it. There's a passivity to it. There's just a like roll over and let it happen. Like it sucks. And it's just, I, and as if we're powerless to influence it is almost learned helplessness to just go, menopause. That's like personality tests can be the same way. just, you take one and you label yourself as this fixed thing who has no ability to influence the outcome or to change and, diminish some of the not so great parts of your personality and enhance the parts that are.

Sally (23:50.286)
you

Christian Elliot (24:15.144)
you admirable about you. so if you can approach menopause with a similar mindset, like, this isn't just about a transition stage of life or biology. It's, it's a, it's that's still happening within a bigger life. And what other thing, what other relational stresses might be going on? What other story loops might I be stuck in? What other wounds from my past might also be burdening me and what endocrine disrupting chemicals might be making this problem worse that I could address.

Sally (24:41.644)
Yeah.

Christian Elliot (24:43.43)
And sure enough, you have talked to some women who just, the menopause was kind like a yawn. Like it wasn't a big deal for them. And yeah, this is the guys don't have a period anymore. Like, cool. And rather than just the catastrophizing and everything then it points back to and blames this helpless state of menopause. So I echo your sentiments.

Sally (25:02.7)
Yeah, yes, yes, good. So I'd like to talk about the purification side of things now, because I think this is where a lot of people go, no, don't say the detox word, I don't want to do a detox. Is there ever a friendly way to do a detox or are detoxes by their very nature just awful?

Christian Elliot (25:25.13)
They can be great and we it's somebody once compared it to like a bad acid trip or something like you have one you never want to do it again and So not advocating for that But I can appreciate that if you have a tough time with a cleanse a hurts response We call it her timer or cleansing response where you genuinely feel worse. Nobody's like yeah, that sounds great Let's let's do it twice. They the reality is that

Sally (25:34.733)
Ha ha.

Christian Elliot (25:51.944)
What you just successfully found was your upper limit of how fast your body could cleanse. You may have just found a bad cleanse, more likely you've found, can't cleanse that quickly. And if we can't always predict who's gonna have a Hertz response, but we do know how to handle it. It's not like you're gonna be sick the rest of your life. It stinks to be you. You might have a day or two that's kind of unpleasant, but that means we can adjust. That means we can back off. That means we can help find up what is not finding its way to the exit as quickly as possible.

And so yes, it can be, this is the, those four lanes. This is the one where we've identified, probably want the most guidance because there are plenty of ways to botch this idea of doing a cleanse. And there are plenty of what we call shallow detoxes versus deep detoxes. And the shallow ones are the, simple flush, the juice cleanse, the, the bath routine or there, and which is not to say they have no benefit or no merit, but if you want to heal deeply, there's a deeper scrubbing.

And that is where the personalization makes all the difference of how aggressive can this individual be. And we've had people start a parasite cleanse and just the smallest amount of the tinctures that help disrupt the parasites gives them chills and makes them feel sick and other people who do the full dose and they're fine. So we don't always know who's going to have that. We just know if you have that, we can manage it. But the other option you have is just.

live with the toxic burden I have, let parasites continue and mold and candida and whatever, continue to proliferate, procreate and poop inside you, or we can get this out. And so do you have to do an enema or a colonic in order to heal? No. But do you want to take good tools off the table that can expedite the healing process? But can it be gentle? Sure. Who doesn't like taking a good warm bath that is therapeutic? Like there are some amazing, they're called Volneotherapy. It's its own

Sally (27:17.422)
Thank

Sally (27:22.072)
Yeah.

Christian Elliot (27:44.212)
version of detoxification. There's a whole set of therapies and different types of baths you can do that are genuinely detoxifying. We've had people improve their skin conditions significantly just with that. So it's getting enough momentum. One of the things that we prep people for, we tell them to prime the pathways before we start this process, meaning in our mind there's nine different ways our body gets stuff out of us, one of which is emoting. But we have these pathways of pooping and peeing and sweating and breathing and et cetera, where our body will

that's somehow this stuff has to exit. And so we prime them to get well by making sure the exits are open. And so if you're an under slept, under nourished, dehydrated, pessimistic couch potato, we're going to have a hard time getting anything out of you. But if we can get the exits flowing, we get the fluid exchanging, then when it's time to start bringing in the purification agents, the body's already in that mode. And it's a much gentler way to go through a process of healing.

Sally (28:43.51)
Wow, that makes so much sense. And interestingly, do you know, I don't sweat very much. Even when I'm in a sauna, my friend will be just like bucketing out and I'm like, I'm really struggling to sweat. And it's hard for me to sit in a sauna actually, because I'm not sweating. As soon as I start to sweat, I feel more comfortable in the sauna. What advice do you have for me?

Christian Elliot (28:49.563)
I could fix that.

Christian Elliot (29:05.737)
Oh yeah. I would say I'd look at your salt balance and that would be one place. Cause if your body's holding onto water, it's stingy with it because I don't, can't afford to get rid of this. And so that was, it may be an indication that your cells are very thirsty and that may just be as simple as a mineral or salt balance. There you have some water. Make sure you have a pinch of salt in that. Um, good salt, not just a nasty straight sodium chloride that's on most restaurant tables is toxic.

Sally (29:17.762)
Okay.

Christian Elliot (29:33.898)
You can, the Chinese used to use it to kill people. They'd poison them with it. So you want the real deal, good sea salts. Um, but I'd also look at like we could do something like a ginger bath. You want to, I'll get you to sweat with a ginger bath. Like you can use one of those and boy, it'll get you poor. You'll be like, get me out of them. So hot. And I, you get, are other ways. Yeah. Yeah. So sometimes it's just as simple as those couple things. Um, and then how well do you exercise? Do you.

Sally (29:51.008)
Right, okay. Never heard of a ginger bath. Wow, okay.

Christian Elliot (30:03.774)
get out, do you get sun enough to stimulate other processes? The sun is so healing. And if we didn't have sun, none of us would be alive. The sun is, we eat light. It may sound funny to think of it that way, but it is so deeply nourishing and we have scared ourselves away from being in the sun. And we lather up, unfortunately, with endocrine disrupting, like coral reef killing chemicals in order to block our body's ability to create a sun callus called a tan or.

increase our melanin production so that we can actually handle the sun and benefit from the deep nourishment that is in the full spectrum from beginning to end of day. Sometimes adjusting that could be a major path to getting your body to be able to perspire naturally. then you get to not, it's, you're right. It's not pleasant to be hot and not sweating. feels awful, but sweating is our body's way of cooling itself. So if you're not having that, yeah, it wouldn't be fun. So.

Sally (30:54.786)
Yeah.

Christian Elliot (31:00.286)
between salt, your mineral balance, your exposure to sun, possibly something like changing the way your baths are, we could get you sweating. And then you've, know, some people argue with whether or not the skin is the largest organs. Other would say it is your fascia system that is the largest organ. But regardless, it's big and it's got, you got so much surface area through which toxins can leave your body. Parasites can even leave through your feet or other places. So getting them

out, getting that exit open so the body can push things out that way if need be is an important step. You prime that pathway before you start getting too aggressive with your purification, you're going have a much easier time healing.

Sally (31:41.314)
Yeah, so, so, so interesting. And I don't wear deodorant. I don't need to wear deodorant actually, which is really good because the aluminium that's, you know, in these deodorants is so toxic. If I am going to wear a deodorant, it's just a really light, light one.

Christian Elliot (31:57.822)
Yeah, you can even get a stone. There's their tie stones are just minerals and they can buffer and create an ecosystem where the bacteria that stank, they don't like it there. So it's typically good for one sweat, but in your case, you, probably even, have extra benefit from it. But yeah, once you start sweating, then we have a different conversation about how to like not have awkward social graces and nobody wants to be around you.

Sally (32:20.43)
So is there, because I know some people sweat excessively and is that like how do we, I mean is that useful or is that potentially something going wrong there?

Christian Elliot (32:33.066)
That's a great question. I've had as a trainer, I've worked as a trainer for a decade and I can affirm that some people they like, they just get there for the warmup and they're already sweating and other people toward the end of the world. got like a little spot on their shirt. So yes, people do have different. Wirings, if you will, about how aggressively they sweat. So I'm not here to say, Stanley, sorry, but you're something wrong with you. You need to be, you know, sweating buckets, like whoever Betty, then if you're not, then something's wrong with you. So there are different.

Sally (32:58.766)
Yeah.

Christian Elliot (33:01.922)
I don't, and I can't give a good explanation for why some people tend to sweat more than others, but I can say, there, there might be an excessive amount of some people when they sweat, they just, they smell funny. Like there you can, you're around them. You're like, Ooh, their body's pushing out something. So I don't know all the lifestyle factors that go into why the body so urgently says we have, this is so much of a problem. We've got to get this out through the skin. when people tend to have any sort of skin issues, it's your body.

Literally pushing stuff out. Cause the other exits aren't working right now. I can't get this out any other way. Sorry to let you to hives rash, whatever it is. We've got an eczema. We've got to get this problem out of the blood and as far away from our vital organs as possible because you're going to poison yourself. And so in those instances, the body would sweat more theoretically. Unless we have some sort of other imbalance going on that prevents it from doing so. Um, a lot of the topical applications and creams and for the people I find who sweat the least.

tend to have an aversion to or kind of a long standing on again, mostly off again relationship with exercise. They don't really like it. And I don't want to be, they even they'll say, I hate to sweat as if it's some sort of, there's something just went wrong. And if you dislike sweating, your mind might be slowing down your ability to sweat. If you can embrace the fact that this is a really healthy thing to do, I mean, you're gonna be sweaty all day.

But if you can't stand, I can't stand humidity. I can't stand being hot. then that might, your mind might be actually slowing down your physiology because you're, such an important process. So get good at it. Make it like one of our, things we sometimes challenge people to do is to sweat, break a sweat five days a week. Just try to, it doesn't mean you need to sweat the whole day, but let's, let's break a sweat. Let's get something to drip and, and then we go shower off and go back to your day. That can make such a difference, but it's similar to training your metabolism to be able to go through a fast.

You train your body's purging system, in this case your sweat system, your sweat glands, to be able to get in shape, to do a normal process. And sometimes that means you quit with the creams and the mindset and the other things that can prevent it. But yeah, there are ways to get that going, but you have to want to get it going. And one of the best ways is exercise outside.

Sally (35:16.77)
Yeah, you've hit the nail on the head actually. I used to have this real discomfort with the sensation of being hot and sweaty and I avoided exercise like the plague. This was probably around 2017. I got myself a personal trainer and I started to feel better about sweating. And I've recently been off it again, but I'm coming back onto it again now. It's an on again, off again relationship with exercise. So yeah.

You were bang on there, you were spot on. So it's the mindset around, yeah, I can enjoy sweating and I don't have to link it to something bad. I can link it to something positive. I can link it to progress. Yeah. What a brilliant mindset hack. I love that. detoxifying then, what are we detoxing from when we detoxify?

Christian Elliot (36:10.122)
Great question. There's a lot of different things. So whilst I'll start on the microbial level to begin with, we have actually, let me switch. I'll start with chemicals. So since the early 1900s, industrial revolution, you can go back even further. We have created over 80,000 new to nature molecules, molecules, that the human body was never designed to interact with. But we are bombarded with them through industry, from the jet pollution that rains down from the sky.

from any, there's so many ways they get in us and we've already talked about many of them. But once we appreciate that it is impossible to get away from chemicals, there's even glyphosate and aluminum in the rain. You cannot escape the chemical burden that we are living in. And so that has become a major place where we have accumulated body burden. And then when we switch to the microbial realm, there's a different level of where this has become a growing

worsening problem, partly because microbes roll in nature. Some of the microbes exist for the express purpose of cleaning up rot and decay and toxicity. Their role in nature is to munch up heavy metals. Their role is to munch up plastics. Whatever other chemicals are foreign, there's some microbes that's like, food. And that is their source of how they procreate and feed. And so when we have a body burdened down by chemicals,

And we naturally come across and interact with a diverse ecosystem of the mic of the, let's just say the earth's biome, let alone our own microbiome. When we are loaded with toxins, guess what those microbes have? The ones that feed on death and rot and disease and decay and toxicity and heavy metals feast inside of us. They create neighborhoods and nooks and ecosystems inside of us that now it's just a rager party of microbes eating toxins and pooping toxins.

and procreating and creating plaques and films that fill our insides and create its own loop of self replicating toxicity inside us. So that's why our focus is so much. We have got to purify this system. We actually start with trying to diminish the overgrowth of micro. was one of the biggest ones that probably the most overlooked one in that realm is parasites and

Christian Elliot (38:33.254)
It's not a fun topic, but we in the West, all of our doctors like nets. That's the third world problem. only happens in countries without sanitary water. No, isn't. It's not like worms are thinking, shoot, we're in England. We can't, we can't do anything here. They're everywhere. All of the time. You probably have it in your water table and almost everyone, 90 something percent of people have parasites. That doesn't mean we're all expressing the symptoms of it yet, but that pro creating problem. If you've never been through a parasite cleanse, you've never worked at the mold level. You've never worked at the.

balancing out the gut, cleaning it out and changing the internal environment such that they're like, this neighborhood stinks. We're moving out. You serve them that eviction notice and you rebalance the ecology with, back to our unburdened category, we've got to cut off the influx of this or we're going to still have this self-replicating problem. So we go after microbes, we go after their food, the toxins, and then we go after nourishing and repopulating a gut with a much healthier balance.

And so many people have been through so many rounds of antibiotics, which slowly whittles away the diversity of your internal ecosystem such that you're much more susceptible to any number of problems because you don't have a diverse, healthy microbiome that can make your neurotransmitters that can digest the food and actually poop nutrients instead of toxins. They're, co-creators with you symbiotically that help build health. So many of those get whittled away over time from the toxins or the antibiotics.

that wreck that. And so we just had to rewind and say, we've got to stop the influx. We've got to rebalance the microbes and then we have to repopulate and nourish deeply so that this person is returned to the gift of resilience. And that's really the way we've handled that puzzle.

Sally (40:15.918)
Mmm, mmm, so interesting. So if someone's listening to this and they're getting really inspired and they're thinking, I think I need to do some kind of cleanse to detoxify my system, what would you recommend? I mean, what are some of the common mistakes that people make when they're trying to detox?

Christian Elliot (40:36.458)
There's several. So it's doing too little to move the needle. So doing like, I'm going to do the seven day juice cleanse. And then I did a detox. Well, no, you, you did a juice. You, you, got some nurse, but that's like taking a broom to a dirty, you know, dilapidated building and thinking I've refurbished the thing. you've that's so doing too little and kind of it's that this detox where I appreciate how confusing it is for most people because it's like the nutrition world.

So many competing opinions. There's so many shiny objects. Everybody's got the one thing you're missing and you just need to do that thing. And so the other thing is trying too many things at once and overdoing it and making yourself feel sick. I'm never going to do that again. so what the, the way that the method I've laid out for you, the idea of let's cut off the influx first, let's restart the purging systems, then let's go after the purification agents. And so some of them, even get censored somewhat for, talking about because they're that good and they're that inexpensive.

And so basically where, what I would say is start with the two things I already talked about. Where can you cut off the burden and how can you get your purging systems ramped up? But then it's, when it comes to purification, we start with microbes and we're going to go after parasites first. a really good parasite cleanse. There's a lot of them and we've, we've looked into them and found what we like to use. Then we, somewhere in that journey, depending on how their body is responding, we're going to start going after breaking down chemicals and breaking down.

metals and heavy metals. And let's say parasites or molds are often the biggest source of body burden, or your PO, if you're poisoning yourself with your own teeth, that's a different animal that you cannot heal. If you have a root canal that is poisoning you. So once we've rebalanced the microbes and we start going after the metals, then we pull in the lever of fasting. If the person, and there's different versions of fasting for different people, but that's, that's the strongest stimulation of human healing mechanisms. It's remarkable.

how much healing the body can do when it doesn't have anything else to do with clean house and go resensitize cells and resensitize your hormones and, and scrub parts of the, it's like taking a toothbrush to your bathtub. Like you're just getting the grit out of your cells. And so the, that's more of a method process and people just, if it's scatter shot and you're trying to, I'm going to do, so I'm going to do a heavy metal thing and I'm going to do a mold thing over here. And if you, if you don't understand the approach to doing it, that's really where we've.

Christian Elliot (42:59.626)
kind of made our money or made our impact is we can give you a path through this and we can adjust it. So happy to talk about particular purification agents if you're not worried about having your episode taken down or getting censored. that, yeah, I that I haven't forbid when you talk about things that actually work and people can afford, but Epsom salt, yeah, that won't get you censored because that's, you can use that as a laxative. You can take a bath with it.

Sally (43:14.24)
God.

Sally (43:20.044)
Is it things like Epsom salts?

Christian Elliot (43:27.612)
No, it's more things like if you want to know it's chlorine dioxide, it's DMSO, it's structured nano silver. some of the heavy hitters of detoxification in the parasite realm, can get, you get censored for talking about parasites for too long. You switch to saying worms that that tends to not get you censored as much. But if you're actually pointing out the depth of a systemic problem that if fixed would undercut the need for post medications in the world, then you're not going to meet the,

Sally (43:38.594)
Yeah, sure.

Christian Elliot (43:57.628)
applause of the medical industrial complex. They are going to fight you and accuse you of misinformation. And often it's some of the simplest, more approachable things that make a really big difference. And then you just have to go through the learning curve of figuring out how to use them, how to let your body give you the feedback of when it's too much and not enough. And there's no one path to healing, but there is a predictable element to human physiology. You don't have three livers or a foot that wants to be

Sally (44:04.451)
Yeah.

Christian Elliot (44:27.394)
a kidney, it's the same parts doing the same things and they have particular functions and know what to do if we can guide them through that process. So those are some of the big things.

Sally (44:36.012)
Yeah, so it sounds complex. These sound like chemicals that you wouldn't want to go and buy off the shelf unless you know what you're doing.

Christian Elliot (44:44.51)
Well, yeah, there's, they're, very low risk and there, if you go, like, if you searched chlorine dioxide, you will find the stuff to scare the crap out of you from even trying it. But search, like I'm in being in the health world. This is a pain point I have. If you're trying to use search engines of today to find health information, good luck because they are like, I've recently was searching for a particular key later and I've delivered through an IV therapy. got one page of search results on Google one.

There was no Google. There was no one of 14 million hits. It was one page and you get the stuff to scare you and you get led to WebMD and you get Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic and PubMed and all you're getting is the curated results from the gatekeepers who want you to think a particular way. And until you see that that's what's happening on the internet, it's literally being erased and I'm not making that up.

The record of where these things, have to know where to go or you have to find somebody who knows where it go or search directly for the site you're looking for, not the topic, because all you get is there's no evidence of that. That hasn't been studied. Trust the science. The science is perfect. And dumbest phrase in the world. Trust this. Please explain to me what science is and when did science become above being questioned? Like that's, it's maddening that we can't do that.

Sally (45:59.533)
Mmm.

Christian Elliot (46:05.354)
but that's the landscape of health and the people that were in the throes of the dying gasp of this system that's a hundred plus years old that is on its way out and we're going to suffer through its revolt as it becomes not conventional. And so what we're working at will become the, this is how we heal it. Make, cause it makes sense. It doesn't make as many dollars, but it makes plenty of sense. And so if you want to heal, you have to learn those things.

Sally (46:30.005)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it really is a great unlearning, isn't it? And as you say, there's lots of things that they don't really want you to know, because it's not going to make the industrial complex, the medical industrial complex, a shit ton of money. Yeah, no, I do agree with you. And I also agree with you. Have you watched Rupert Sheldrake's band TED Talk? Yeah, definitely.

Christian Elliot (46:37.012)
It is.

Christian Elliot (46:57.512)
No, but it sounds like I should. If it's banned, I hear over the target.

Sally (47:02.638)
It basically talks about how scientists tend to fudge results based on their own paradigms of thinking, even in physics. They're not actually looking at what the numbers are telling them. They're just going, oh, that doesn't make sense. I'm just going to fudge that a little bit. But he talks about the laws of nature, the laws of physics.

Christian Elliot (47:11.476)
Yes.

Sally (47:30.328)
how they change and rather than, we think of the laws of physics as being absolute unchangeable, but he's suggesting that the laws of physics actually change according to how you look at them. And this is what I can't get my head around with science because you know, like the double slit experiment, like according to the way you look at something depicts what actually you're going to see. So we're all biased and it doesn't matter how many, how many

Christian Elliot (47:56.852)
Absolutely.

Sally (47:59.586)
like confounders you allow for, how many things you allow for, I think you're always going to see things a certain way. don't think any scientific experiment can be truly unbiased. And facts change, you know, the longer we're alive. When we look back at facts in the 1950s that were established facts like tobacco is good for you. That was a scientific fact, right? Now we know it's not true. So we do have to think.

outside the box and we have to tune into our own intuition right?

Christian Elliot (48:30.472)
Yes. No, you're, you'll get me soapboxing if you keep going here, but that idea that science is some sort of objective God that fell out of heaven, it's, it's, and we just need to throw more money at it and worship at this altar. And finally all will be revealed and just trust it's wizard of Oz level. It's just this fake guy behind a curtain pretending to be something it's not. It's not science. Science is just another word for curiosity. And I wonder if there's something replicable here, but what we end up with it, a great analogy I've heard of science is just a lot of blind people.

Sally (48:33.611)
Hahaha

Christian Elliot (49:00.202)
touching an elephant and they're touching different parts of the elephant. And depending on what part of it they touch is how they describe and create this image in their own head of what an elephant is. And that's their reality. And that's their science because I can look at it. Here's the tusk. Here's the foot. Here's the tail. Here's the trunk. Here's this rough. I don't know. The thing that moves when it is breathing, who knows that is a better metaphor for what the human condition is as it relates to our exploration of reality. And the scientific world doesn't want us to.

Develop our own map of reality. They want to tell us what reality is so that they can basically get us to buy things. are malleable when we fall under the expert spell that somebody else somewhere needs to tell me what to do for my health. Cause I can't possibly figure this out and be in tune with my own body. They would know. I wouldn't. And that I can tell you that trance is strong, Sally, the amount of times I help people see the matrix for what it is or look behind the curtain and see the emperor.

then they go back to the doctor and he scares them. like, yes, whatever you say, doctor. it's just, they're back in that head space. It's tough to break that trance. And they use the word science as if it's it's scientism. It's a new religion. And they have sacraments of testing and sacraments of pills and priests with white coats and stethoscopes. And they act as if they know everything and they don't. And they're just often haughty and in the way, not all of them, but the profession or the indoctrination they go through.

Sally (50:02.85)
Yeah.

Christian Elliot (50:27.614)
medical school turns them into high priests who look down their nose at everyone else because they are conventional and the rest of us are not. And that it's a religion more than it is actually anything related to science or health. And once you see that for what it is, it's so much easier to go, no thanks, I hopped out.

Sally (50:35.852)
Yeah.

Sally (50:47.246)
Mm-hmm. You'll love the Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk because he talks about it as science-ism and no wonder it was banned. And maybe this podcast will be banned now.

Christian Elliot (50:53.898)
Hmm.

Christian Elliot (50:58.43)
We'll see. Yeah, you can't say that. Don't think for yourself. my gosh.

Sally (51:00.686)
It's madness. Anyway, we're coming to the end of our time. I just want to pick your brains one, ask you one last question. If a woman listening to this podcast feels maybe lost, feels defeated, maybe feels overwhelmed, because so many women going through menopause feel overwhelmed at all the different conflicting opinions and conflicting advices that we hear.

What would you want her to know?

Christian Elliot (51:33.224)
I would want her to know that to never give up, you're never without hope. That's a good place to start. There is a perspective from which what you're going through actually makes sense. And so part of the effort to heal or to become grounded again, it's just to humbly and gently look for that perspective and do it as much as you can with fascination instead of frustration. If you can, because those emotions of curiosity and humility go so far in the exploration of trying to make sense of

where to go, who to trust. And sometimes the answers are so much simpler than you'd think. It's you really get to go back to basics. What time you go to bed? Are you hydrated? Are you moving? Are you getting any time with nature? Have you reconciled that relationship? There are just fundamental things like what you're eating and are you lifting heavy things in order to give your body the stimulus or the resources to be able to heal. And I've coached no shortage of women.

pre and post menopause, a lot of post menopause and so much of their angst or their frustration. Cause when the body hits this, this window of adjustment and fragility or symptoms, they don't quite understand. you amp that amplifies any other emotional issues in life, often harkening back to childhood, to parents, to bullies in school, to any number of other difficult seasons in life where you haven't quite closed the loop. You don't have closure on that thing. You don't have.

You can just look like you're right back there as that little girl in that moment where you're just traumatized or where you just feel insecure or insignificant or overlooked or any number of waves of emotion that come over you. And to be able to say you're never without hope, that you are worth the effort to figure this out. This is not a worthiness question. This is not an adequacy question. But often those are the questions women are asking when these types of things come up.

And that's part of why we actually have, we have our physical detox. We've talked about, have a mind and body cleanse because we know it's really hard to heal a broken body if you don't first heal a broken heart. And so we go after the thoughts and the broken heart and gosh, sometimes that is the balm that makes the body respond so much more quickly to anything that you can biohack yourself all day and do all these cleanses. But if you don't heal the heart, you're going to have a hard time healing. So that's what I guess that's my summary is just to say.

Sally (53:36.846)
and

Christian Elliot (53:56.808)
Don't rule that out as an area of focus. If high anxiety or high emotions are the undercurrent of what you're feeling, then that's the bullseye. That is the place to spend some time because as you get that perspective and you calm that down and you put those fears to bed and you move past whatever that sticking point is in your thinking or your story, it's amazing how your body will respond. what you're essentially doing is setting yourself up in the legacy phase of life. You're setting yourself up for.

launching into the years of impact and rich experiences because you have decades of wisdom to leverage now that you're there. So that would be my thoughts for your audience.

Sally (54:36.918)
What a beautiful final sentiment. Honestly, I couldn't agree more with you. And that's the way I work with people, know, with their childhood trauma, I work on the fit, the mental, emotional.

spiritual kind of side of things because the physical world is so complex and I love that you embrace all of it. haven't quite gone, I know a little bit about that, you I know enough from having spoken to so many people and done my own research and done a few courses here and there, I know a little bit about it, but not all the ins and outs, you know, for someone that wants to go down the physical route and combined, you know, the knowledge that you have is just so broad spectrum. I love.

I love your knowledge base is so wide. So the people who have been inspired by you and I've certainly been inspired by you, what would the next step be for them?

Christian Elliot (55:30.74)
Well, thank you. I'm glad to hear you've been inspired. yeah, if you want to, if something I said resonated and you want to reach out, you could check out our website is healing united.today.com. wanted some urgency. Let's get on with it already. Healing united.today. one of the most popular things I've ever done is just a short little 36 minute video of how to reverse any chronic illness in three steps. So that's on the pop-up. You can find that on our, on our website. just look for that, but that,

That'll get you grounded. And so if you want to reach out to us through the website, there's a, you can subscribe to our newsletter. you can reach me at my personal coaching business is true whole human. you can email me Christian at true whole human.com, but easiest thing. you've nothing else I've said, you remember just go to healing united.today. put yourself on the newsletter opt in for the 36 minute how to reverse illness in three steps and, you'll find a windfall of hope.

Sally (56:25.165)
Yeah amazing thank you so much Christian for your knowledge, your wisdom, your energy and for gracing us with your presence today it's been amazing. Okay let me stop that there.

Christian Elliot (56:35.428)
Thank you very much for having me, Sally.